(6 replies, posted in HTML Discussion)

Time to reply to my own post again. Great resource from Ian Hixie and Ben Schwarz:

HTML5: A technical specification for Web developers

Nathan will be so pleased that the forum is still alive.


(0 replies, posted in Shoot the Breeze)

OK, this "advent calendar for geeks" I have never seen before -- maybe this is its first year to run?

HTML5 Advent(ure) is worth a visit!

The concept is spreading! Let's just home in the midst of all these "Advent" calendars we don't lose the sense of what we're really leading up to...

Wahey! It's December 1st! 24 Ways isn't the best thing about December ... but it helps. wink

I see from Mark Boulton's blog that it enters into the spirit of giving in an even more meaningful way this year: very welcome development.


(1 replies, posted in Shoot the Breeze)

Congratulations, James! Hope it helps with the message again this year. (As Randy Stonehill once sang: "...Perhaps they'll think about the word, and see it spells HIS name"!)


(6 replies, posted in HTML Discussion)

Here's another useful article I just ran across:


I thought I might as well dump these things here -- might make a useful thread for a while, anyway!

(I found the link above from http://html5boilerplate.com/ ... somehow!)

2010.11.03 - And how did I miss this before? http://diveintohtml5.org/


(6 replies, posted in HTML Discussion)

Thanks Yannick, Nathan. Helpful comment!

I suppose I need to do more reading/research. It looks as though the venerable DIV -- as a "generic" element -- will remain useful and in use, especially in constructing "Zen Garden" type layouts where an "aside" with one style sheet might appear as a "footer" in another. (How do you handle that scenario in HTML5?)

It's also difficult to know if things like "header" will become obligatory for any type of heading (section? sub-section? sub-sub-section?) or just with site header or article heading (what I think of as "h1" and "h2" -- and I know there's a debate about that, too!). With the old DIV, you use it where it is structurally required. But the mixing of structure and semantics is going to take some thinking through -- for me, anyway! (And weren't we all about disentangling these things not so long ago?)

Some HTML5 things are already dated, it looks like, but these two have proved helpful:

http://www.sencha.com/blog/2010/05/23/h … -internet/

http://www.cameronmoll.com/archives/200 … for_html5/

Maybe there's a decent Godbit (or Godsporch or Sonspring wink ) article in this somewhere! I'm probably getting the wrong end of the stick on some of this, so the discussion is appreciated!


(6 replies, posted in HTML Discussion)

Would anyone care to offer a bit of guidance on the use of DIVs in HTML5?

I'm aware that HTML5 gives options for more nuanced and semantic "blocks" than before. I get the impression in some circles that the DIV is as dead as the dodo. OTOH, it's still part of the spec, so it's difficult at that level to see what has changed wrt DIVs themselves. (That new working practices will develop is a given, I think!)

I ran across a helpful article that gives some perspective on this, but wondered what Godbitters might think. As one commenter asked (not me! but it's a good question, IMO), "Does this mean those html grid systems, with a gazillion div’s, will go away?"

Nathan? Anyone?

With crazy things going on in France, and domestic politics at full boil ... was it really a slow news day at the BBC?



(4 replies, posted in Shoot the Breeze)

This is an old thread, but just so any readers are aware, CKEditor has a triple-opensource licensing to ensure that it can be compatible with just about any license. There is no fee needed for incorporating in a site you develop at a fee for a client! Note that one of the purposes CKEditor has in the licensing arrangement is to make possible:

"Integrating CKEditor in commercial software, taking care of satisfying the Open Source licenses terms, while not able or interested on supporting CKEditor and its development."

Hope that helps!

Thanks for that Nathan! I've hunted around for some "metrics" like that, but couldn't locate anything substantial. That's a real help.

P.s. just looking at it a little longer: fascinating to see the regional variations. Why is YUI so strong in the far East?!

My very amateur, and impressionistic ... impression is that jQuery is beginning to look like the dominant JS library. Not so long ago, it seemed like a coin-toss (sort of!) between it and Prototype.

Although the Godbit forums have gone a bit quiet, I'm hoping that some of the pro's are still looking in from time to time, and would be willing to venture an opinion on the unscientific observation of jQuery's momentum.

Perhaps a slightly different way of posing the question is this: if you were starting out today to mount a project that required a JS library, which would you go for? why?

Thanks so much for any input on this!


(2 replies, posted in Content Management)

My sense is that Wolf CMS (a Radiant descendent) ticks all your boxes. The one "weakness" (?at the moment) for you is that roles/permissions give you only a basic set, but I'm not clear on the nature of the CRM integration you're after. There are plugins for members, openid support, etc.

Probably worth a quick look, anyway. Any questions just pose them on the forum over there. Hope that helps! smile


(3 replies, posted in Purely Graphical)

Hi Chris - if I understand correctly, I agree with your Twitter critic. Really like the design, colour choice, structure, etc., but the text-size of the paragraphs on the "team" page looks *well* too small ... and I doubt you really want to say so much about yourselves in the context anyway. wink

I'd rather hear about local people, conditions, goals, current contacts, "why Togo", etc.! I'm sure that's all on its way -- hopefully at a bigger text size!

Great initiative, btw. Hope it works well.

ryenski wrote:

WolfCMS looks really nice.

Thanks, Ryan - and someone else thought so, too!

Thanks too for the Heroku link; there's a wealth of such resources popping up, it seems to me. But hard to find them all the same!

I don't know how old this is, or whether it might appeal to any Godbitters who are also ESV fans. wink But thought I'd post this job link here just in case....

Thanks for the encouraging words, Deborah! Glad to know you're keeping an eye on us! wink

@nickdominguez - we hope the promise you spotted in Frog will be fulfilled in Wolf! The vision is firm, the road plan sensible, and the development continuing. As the community grows, I'm guessing things will only get better.

(Now if anyone knows of someone interested in helping an opensource project with a Prototype to jQuery migration ... feel free to be in touch! big_smile )

Back in 2007 I was looking for a clean, simple CMS for "brochure" type sites and ran across Radiant. Problem: no Rails access. Fortunately, Ryan Heneise (a.k.a. ryenksi) pointed me to Frog, a PHP migration of Radiant.

Sadly, Frog development ground to a halt. I had been involved in low-level "support" (= friendly guy on forum!), and another coder had picked up development when Frog's owner went very quiet (for extended periods!). The dev decided to fork the project as "Wolf CMS", and I've thrown my energies into that project now, too.

So! If anyone here enjoys/appreciates/etc. the "Radiant" approach, but would like to work with it in a PHP setting, do have a look at Wolf CMS. Development is on-going, intentional, thoughtful, and responsive to the community. And the community is growing!

In a sense, Wolf owes its existence to Godbit - without Ryan's pointer, I would not have found Frog. And without the support one or two of us gave Frog, it would have perished. wink But that experience led to the fork of this project, Wolf, about which I'm very optimistic!


(1 replies, posted in Shoot the Breeze)

Deborah was the one who first alerted me to the wonderful "24 Ways", the self-styled "advent calendar for web geeks". And "web geek wannabe's", too, I suppose! smile I just saw the first entry, and it's looking good ... again!


(13 replies, posted in Shoot the Breeze)

So the consensus is ... Twitter is an addictive forum-killer, and we don't really care about HappyCog. :P

(Hi Deborah!)


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Happy Cog is now happier.

Interesting -- what's the business angle for Airbag?

(Forum very quiet! Is everybody tweeting ... except me? wink )

I just read a brief article on Joshua Porter's Bokardo blog. Executive summary: the nature of web design is different from print projects, and demands a different agency/client model.

I found it interesting, and thought it worth flagging up here. Any reactions?

Nice colours! One thought: the reflection shouldn't overlap the main text it is reflection, I think. Some even like to leave a tiny gap between main image and the reflection, and that works for me. At least, though, I think you want to drop your reflections down a few pixels.


(6 replies, posted in Shoot the Breeze)

I just bumped into this article on Object Oriented CSS. Well, truth be told, it arrived with one of those ubiquitous Sitepoint email newsletters.

I wondered what the Godbit pro's made of it? Is this The Next Big Thing? or just a flash way of talking about some sensible CSS writing?

[I thought about putting this in the CSS forum, but it seemed a bit more like chit-chat to me!]

Hi Nicole - you might also find some useful resources/reflections on this blog. The author did her Ph.D. on religious communities and new media.


(7 replies, posted in Shoot the Breeze)

Recent piece from Andy Clarke on IE6 that might be of interest to readers of this thread. It includes some interesting discussion, plus a pointer to his proposed solution, Universal-IE6-CSS.